tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post8644718482386854738..comments2024-03-25T10:50:11.187-07:00Comments on Gods and Foolish Grandeur: Gene Raymond, Buddy Rogers, and three rather odd Hollywood marriagesStephiliushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-52799432058402706392023-10-02T03:47:33.928-07:002023-10-02T03:47:33.928-07:00I knew Buddy and Beverly in the '70s. We went...I knew Buddy and Beverly in the '70s. We went to Puerto Rico together for a week long celebrity golf tourney...I met him on the 8 hour flight from LA. He and I stayed up on the flight all night perusing a book on Love that Marty and Frenchie Allen had given me and Gibbons. We became good friends. I only knew how much he was devoted to Beverly...they had great fun together.KPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11586163497228173943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-66468090751989825662023-08-07T15:16:13.860-07:002023-08-07T15:16:13.860-07:00"Celebrity" biographies are a minefield ..."Celebrity" biographies are a minefield of "regurgitated tripe", and readers are always advised to consider the information very critically. But I'd love to hear any - specific - information you have that refutes what I've shared. Especially if any is from direct sources.<br /><br />As to money going to anyone's estate, I can't imagine who you think is around to benefit at this point.Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-43332240169700947002023-08-07T13:10:10.487-07:002023-08-07T13:10:10.487-07:00Well said.... and to add; most of the above is wro...Well said.... and to add; most of the above is wrongly stated about nearly all in the history above.... Thanx.L. L. Rogers - Knightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-2980553816861395252023-08-07T13:06:51.435-07:002023-08-07T13:06:51.435-07:00Sorry folks, but this is regurgitated tripe has a ...Sorry folks, but this is regurgitated tripe has a life of it's own, ever since a certain author (who drilled me for years) started writing a 'Hollyweird Factional History' that has made the said writer a fortune ... and never has one cent gone to any of the persons named estate.L.L. Rogers - Knightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-18637892494364157572022-06-07T10:56:42.989-07:002022-06-07T10:56:42.989-07:00Well if Kemp was the love of Rogers' life, the...Well if Kemp was the love of Rogers' life, then Mary was not Numero Uno :) Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742026436206221165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-67425545996893261922021-07-29T06:52:11.526-07:002021-07-29T06:52:11.526-07:00I don't have much faith in the Sharon Rich boo...I don't have much faith in the Sharon Rich book - it contradicts itself all the time and is full of hearsay. I do believe NE was inlove with JM but JM was more inlove with herself than NE. It's just ludicrous to suggest that Louis Meyer tried to sabotage NE's career when he was one of the top earners at the time. Besides, fans of the two would have them to be married - it would have been a real scoop for the studio. No, I just don't believe half of what the Rich book says - an example is quoted by her sister,saying JM died of a broken heart because she didn't marry NE and it caused him so much pain - no she died because she had a bad heart all her life and it just packed up. Another strange story I the book has JM saving Nelson's wife from a poison overdose but Mrs Eddy never knew JM saved her! The book is full of rubbish like this. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340824771126808776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-21978410426421201322021-02-08T13:30:21.706-08:002021-02-08T13:30:21.706-08:00I just watched an awesome interview w him just bef...I just watched an awesome interview w him just before his death. Clearly GAY. Avahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09785995319534185657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-57078989720364364922020-12-21T11:59:05.113-08:002020-12-21T11:59:05.113-08:00Very interesting - thanks for sharing this!Very interesting - thanks for sharing this!Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-66559521247053683082020-12-21T11:31:57.132-08:002020-12-21T11:31:57.132-08:00I interviewed Buddy Rogers when he was in his earl...I interviewed Buddy Rogers when he was in his early seventies. He was in New York promoting a Mary Pickford film festival. Mary herself was reclusive then and hardly left her estate. Buddy loved Mary probably as a best friend and beard. He traveled in New York with the man who was probably the long-time love of his life, silent film actor Matty Kemp. (Buddy had flings with Gene Raymond and other men but Matty was always his Numero Uno.) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00153403787433655113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-12358214844829372462020-12-03T12:09:45.811-08:002020-12-03T12:09:45.811-08:00He did. Nine years after the death of MacDonald. H...He did. Nine years after the death of MacDonald. His second wife died twenty-one years later from Alzheimer's, three years before his own death. Thanks for your comment!Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-20145558526063421232020-12-03T00:03:03.025-08:002020-12-03T00:03:03.025-08:00Thank you for posting this excellent article. Do y...Thank you for posting this excellent article. Do you know if Gene Raymond remarried?Laura(Canadianlynxbaby)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17008177802085566458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-29162902321316185152019-11-12T22:31:50.674-08:002019-11-12T22:31:50.674-08:00: ): )Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-35305648298187416502019-11-12T21:34:09.642-08:002019-11-12T21:34:09.642-08:00Ahem, sorry What I ment to say where there is smok...Ahem, sorry What I ment to say where there is smoke-there is second hand smoke!Diane MacIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08595715947002216327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-89797009792596864902019-11-11T12:19:28.128-08:002019-11-11T12:19:28.128-08:00I love all these posts. Where there is smoke- ther...I love all these posts. Where there is smoke- there is always second smoke!Diane MacIntyrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08595715947002216327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-12665882705330937062018-06-16T16:50:27.074-07:002018-06-16T16:50:27.074-07:00Hmm... very interesting. : )Hmm... very interesting. : )Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-80452896588242392292018-06-16T10:45:58.863-07:002018-06-16T10:45:58.863-07:00Buddy Rogers got pinched in Chatsworth with his Ja...Buddy Rogers got pinched in Chatsworth with his Japanese gardener in the Simi Hills in 1959. They were charged with misdemeanor morals.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11432773084277304523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-51460162109901691542017-04-13T13:41:38.661-07:002017-04-13T13:41:38.661-07:00I would argue that the evidence isn't really a...I would argue that the evidence isn't really all that flimsy. More importantly, we can't make too many assumptions - either way - about people's lives. People are so complicated - their psychology, their life choices, their relationships - that someone's married state - even when it's very happy - can only tell us so much about their inner self. Also, the - opportunity - to come out doesn't ever mean that someone will; consider the recent very-late-in-the-game disclosures of Joel Grey and Barry Manilow, for example. And Rogers' second marriage came about way back in 1981, when he was already in his seventies. Lastly, many people are not just one thing or the other - many would argue that NO one is - and you only need look at my own history - pretty much spent my life as a "gay man" and, in my forties, married a woman (and VERY happily) - to see that there's an infinite variety when it comes to people's particular sexuality and to what constitutes a successful marriage. Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-25925991186007694552017-04-13T12:48:28.772-07:002017-04-13T12:48:28.772-07:00The second wife Buddy Rogers married--and stayed m...The second wife Buddy Rogers married--and stayed married to until his death--was beautiful and more than twenty years younger than himself. By that time he had no career of any sort and could have lived the gay lifestyle if he wished. But it looks like he preferred being a husband. What's the point in trying to make people "gay" on the flimsiest of evidence?Latoledanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17765472010643114715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-52485829075324580882017-01-18T21:05:37.204-08:002017-01-18T21:05:37.204-08:00I don't know. So many things from the past tha...I don't know. So many things from the past that we'd love to know more about....Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-12811685171314447302017-01-18T18:52:50.903-08:002017-01-18T18:52:50.903-08:00My goodness, was Buddy Rogers beautiful or what? ...My goodness, was Buddy Rogers beautiful or what? Did Mary know he had sex with men?2 Sticks of Butterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06008596746483293542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-25621935127316974672016-09-12T07:19:23.599-07:002016-09-12T07:19:23.599-07:00Now my crush on Gene Raymond has only deepened! Wh...Now my crush on Gene Raymond has only deepened! What a beauty. Thanks for the backstory.fennis2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/11565254090627825425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-66652821436583504852015-09-11T12:27:39.903-07:002015-09-11T12:27:39.903-07:00Hi Stephilius, As an update, let me recommend Sha...Hi Stephilius, As an update, let me recommend Sharon Rich's 20th Anniversary edition of "Sweethearts", June 2014. She has added an amazing amount of updated material, and as ever, it's a real page turner. Sharon also has a FaceBook page for her club: Jeanette MacDonald Nelson Eddy Mac/Eddy Club, which has many very active members. It's a fun diversion - check it out!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277482735971721540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-20039473942656143702013-11-12T13:31:04.625-08:002013-11-12T13:31:04.625-08:00I gathered things from several places, but I belie...I gathered things from several places, but I believe all of them lead back to the book "Sweethearts" by Sharon Rich, who manages a website devoted to the two: http://maceddy.com/ The book was published in 1990 and reprinted in 2001, I believe, and looks to be available from the website - and certainly on Amazon. The book caused quite a ruckus when it came out, but the author had amazing access to previously unseen materials - letters, diaries, unpublished memoirs, etc. - and had a long, close friendship with MacDonald's sister. It makes a major revision of Hollywood history but, considering her sources, I feel very confident she got the story right.Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-26009252606352008962013-11-12T08:30:48.073-08:002013-11-12T08:30:48.073-08:00I always wondered - i've loved Eddie / MacDona...I always wondered - i've loved Eddie / MacDonald movies since I was a kid and was surprised that they weren't married. I have biography's of each of them sitting unread from my grandma's house but I'm sure they gloss over the facts. Was your reliable source in print that I could read?ArchitectDesign™https://www.blogger.com/profile/01481754380363676771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807469356676934317.post-45871647413824200112013-11-10T09:54:51.551-08:002013-11-10T09:54:51.551-08:00Thanks, JD! Yeah, the studio and then the long te...Thanks, JD! Yeah, the studio and then the long term fans were very invested in the idea that they were - not - anything more than coworkers. And then their image - separate and together - was squeaky clean, and didn't allow for the reality of the messiness that is often the case in people's private lives. So often people make the wrong choices and then can't find their way out of them....Stephiliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08562830870365561419noreply@blogger.com